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Honda Freed Complete Paper Review

Posted by Michael Adhi | Posted in Freed, Honda, Honda and Automotive, Quoted | Posted on 17-06-2008

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Honda freed headerWith the ever rising global oil price, Honda finally unveils a minivan to answer the global demand for a people mover which adheres to current global energy crisis. Entering the compact minivan, on 29th of May 2008, Honda of Japan unveils its latest addition to the compact minivan car category, the curiously named Freed. A review from information established on a website might be corny, but you will find a lot of enlightening facts, especially if you can’t read Japanese Kanji. So, a complete paper review based and witty comments from yours truly, after the click.

A compact minivan… What do you expect from a car on that category? First a compact… Small… Then mini… Small again, and minivan… Synonymous with large. So how can two definition of small can combined with one definition of large? Well, you got Honda Freed, Honda Japan latest weapon in the war to take the hearts of people movers everywhere.

The category for this car might be a little misleading. The Freed is neither large nor small, it’s both. Kind of confusing isn’t it? Well, let’s see from its size first.

As wide as Fit, but bigger everywhere

Interior size for the 7 and 8 seater

Honda Freed size

Honda CR-V size

The Freed is smaller than the CR-V

If you look carefully on the figures, compared to Honda CR-V the Freed is smaller both in length and width. The CR-V length and width is 4520mm and 1820mm respectively, while the Freed bows down at 4215mm and 1695mm. It does brings up the compact aspect of the car isn’t it? With the bigger CR-V seats 5 and the smaller Freed seats 7-8, does it make the Freed totally cramped on the inside? Well, let’s take the subtle design cue from the first Honda Freed teaser movie.

Freed’s concept design, staying true to the real model

Honda used triangle and a box to indicate the base design of the car. Any 5th grader would know that box/square shapes offer the best optimal space in geometry. However, any industrial design graduate can identify that a box shaped car is not the best of design applied to a car. It offers the best optimal space yes, but it sure is damn hard to make it look attractive… Unless they put a “retro” marketing gimmick on the promotion front. There’s also the problem with box design equals to bad fuel consumption as the coefficient drag from said design is phenomenally bad. So to answer those questions, Honda of Japan came up with the triangle box combo. The triangle symbolize the front of the car while the box symbolize the rest of the car shape. Therefore, this design philosophy holds several obvious meaning. The car will still be aerodynamic enough as not to hamper its coefficient drag and offers an optimal amount of cargo/passenger space.

Now… I’ve received lots of inputs from my readers about the Freed’s ground clearance. Well, you can see clearly from the dimension size above, the Freed comes with quite puny 150 mm of ground clearance. Now, although this is not a deal breaker, but some people are very concern about the potholes and the unforgiving developing (do I have to say it the politically correct emmerging?) countries especially in Indonesia. I’ve been there… And 150 mm of ground clearance in Indonesia capital is already bare minimum. My only tip to workaround this problem is to drive slowly on “special stage” roads. OR change the rims to jack the car’s height a little bit more. However, the 150 mm of ground clearance is from Freed’s G trim which uses 14″ rims. How about the optional 15″ rims? No relevant data, but at least, the use of 15″ rims will increase the car’s ground clearance by 10 or so mm. I heard from my friends at local Honda dealers, the Freed is coming with a set of 15″ rims… Considering that its competitors are using 15″ rims and the Freed is supposed to be “a class” higher, it might just be.

39 cm of entry point might be high, but it’s still comfortable enough

But why the car is so tall? At 1715mm, the Freed towers over the CR-V at just 1690mm. Considering that the Freed uses 14” rims and the CR-V uses a set of 17”. It is apparent that the Freed engineers decided to maximize the interior space of the car while working around the technical aspect of it. You see, the Freed is available in either Front Wheel or Four Wheel drive mode. Which means, the car needs to have the dreaded tunnel to channel that driveshaft to the rear axle. But as you can see on the following pictures, there are no visible hump on the Freed’s interior whatsoever… This is because the engineers raised the floor of the interior and hid the the tunnel underneath it, thus flat floor. However, raised floor means reduced interior space, and the next logical thing is to raised the roof line, and there you have it, Freed’s sorta lanky design.

Honda freed 2nd row seat tight

Raised floor have to be balanced with raised roof

The Freed uses a modified version of Fit’s global platform, still retaining the same suspension setup, but having the fuel tank moved underneath the second row seat. Off course you cannot see any indication or the bulge of the tank as the floor is completely flat. Honda engineers might have a tough time working around Freed’s drivetrain “leftovers”. Well, technically, the Freed is Honda answer to a global people mover. Therefore, it caters to wide demographics available, thus the car offers a four wheel drive option for people living in snowy area as it offers superior traction.

One more design cue that the Freed is based of the Fit is its suspension system. Like the Fit, the Freed uses Mcpherson Strut on the front wheels and torsion beam setup on the rear wheel. The width of the car is also the same, hovering at 1695mm, the Freed is only taller and longer than the Fit. Now, usually Honda doesn’t mess with their global platform and will not try it according to economic of scale rule. This is because Honda and other Japanese auto maker have a magical gnome that enables them to produce cars which share platforms at a very minimal retooling cost. Well, truth be told, the bigger Honda StepWGN also features a McPherson Strut front suspension with H-Shape Torsion Beam on the rear. It also features fuel tank underneath the 3rd row seats, just like any other car. So does the Freed is a stretched Fit or a smaller StepWGN? Well, you decide, whatever it is, all retain one Honda DNA.

What about the interior size? Honda Freed seats 7-8 people, while having a size smaller than the CR-V that seats 5. Well, from the paper review, we see that the interior width of the Freed is comparable to the CR-V. Weighing at 1440mm for the Freed and 1465mm for the CR-V; a 25mm difference is not noticeable in real world application. However, one can judge the interior size of the car judging from the length of its wheelbase. Although shorter, the Freed actually has longer wheelbase, allowing more room inside the car compared to the CR-V. For example, the middle seat of Freed is bigger by 5mm… Too small to be noticed, but it can still be considered as bragging rights.

Rule of thumb: If you seat comfortably in the front seat, you seat comfortably… Anywhere

The front seats are also comparable, with the CR-V front seats has a width of 530mm and the Freed is 510mm. Mind you that the physique of Mongoloid race are considerably smaller than Caucasoid race, so 510mm is enough to accommodate Asians generally small posterior.

Then we come to the biggest question of them all… What about its leg room? Especially on the 2nd and 3rd row seats. First look at the pictures with the people here.

Honda Freed 3rd row seat

Noticed that the 2nd row right hand seat is slightly more forward than the left seat

Ah! An ample space… And a whole lot of visual trickery. Honda recently used foreign, and mostly used Caucasians as their display model, why? Because usually they are bigger and thus when they are smiling, they are not sitting in a cramped car. But look carefully. The 2nd row right hand seatbelt looked awfully stretched, indicating that the right hand 2nd row seat is slided to the extreme front. Why? Because the 3rd row seat leg room is way cramped for the models. Just look at the next picture.

Honda Freed 2nd row seat

Look carefully at the head rest position in relation to the C-pillar

See the difference? The head rest and seats sits right next to the C-pillar, indicating that the seat is slided back for her to seat comfortably. As you can see, the models actually making the Freed looks small.If Honda ever to use Asian models, or at least Japanese in these pictures, the car will be visually more comfortable. But I’m not running Honda of Japan.

Now… I read in forums, that people in America wanted this car to be made available there… Well guys, you truly are out of luck. This car will never fit 7 of your size and stature… Except if you are ABC or the likes. The Freed is specifically tailored to Asians generally smaller stature. So it might be comfortable for us, but might not be other’s piece of quiche… Did I spell that right… Quiche?

The trim levels: 5-7-8 seater

Now, the Freed came standard with a 14” rims, CVT and a 1.5L i-VTEC engine producing 118PS @ 6600 RPM. Even though it’s the same engine found on the new Fit and soon Fit-Aria (that’s Fit sedan), I’m flabbergast about the power decrease from 120PS. Freed’s engine bore-stroke is the same as the Fit’s engine, and so does the compression ratio. So why the power decrease? The torque is similar, but the power comes a bit short. But well, 2PS difference will never be noticed… Especially on a minivan.

Freed engine i-vtec

2PS less than the Fit RS 120PS engine

Although using the same engine as the Fit, and the same gearbox, the Freed only returns 16.4 Km/Liter of fuel (Honda internal test). Compared to Fit’s 19.6 Km/Liter of fuel. Considering the Freed weighs in at 1300KG, and the Fit at 1080KG, it’s obvious that the size, weight and aerodynamic profile of the Freed stressed the 1.5L engine by a lot. But still, Freed’s fuel consumption can still be considered good especially considering it seats more.

Honda freed 8 seater

Optimal use of interior space

Honda Freed tumble 2nd row seat

The 8 seater version has tumbling seat, making way for a roomier entrance to 3rd row seats

The Freed pricing starts at a modest 1.638.000 Yen and tops at 2.257.500 Yen. For the dirt cheap version, The Freed got another nick name for it, called the Freed Flex, as it only features two row of seats. Paying more for this car will gives you all the premium features of an expensive car. Power sliding door, smart key system, 15” wheels, Vehicle Stability Assist system complete with ABS and traction control, front airbags, and self leveling head lights. For an extra, you can also choose Honda Navi system (Japan only navigation system) and panoramic roof for the Freed Flex (only!). There’s also a 4WD system that comes with a 5AT transmission, but it also comes with a worse fuel consumption.

freed flex luggage

Plenty of room, Freed Flex offers a huge cargo area

The standard 3 row seats Freed comes in two flavors, the 7 seater or the 8 seater. As the name implies, the 7 seater comes with pilot seats on the 2nd row and is expected to be the most popular model. Unique to the 7 seater type, standard for all seating configurations, both the 7 and 8 2nd row seats have a sliding mechanism for better leg room adjustment. The 8 seater have a 60:40 split tumble mechanism. Finally, the 3rd row seats folds 50:50 upward to the sides, not very efficient and not very Honda like, but it gets the job done.

The alleyway might be tight, but still sufficient for its width

The seat arrangements are the standard fanfare you can see on basically all 7 seater cars. Second row tumble fold seats and third row tumble up seat are very basic seat folding design you can see on Toyota Innova, Fortuner, and everyhing in between. Honda engineers just simply doesn’t have much to do because the Freed passenger area is basically a hollow box. There has to be sacrifice between engineering marvel and simple space.

Technically speaking, the 7 seater version will be more suited to seat 6 adults comfortably. The front seats has a width of 510 mm, each while the second is 555 mm each. The third row seats can seat 3 people, indicated by the center seatbelt availability. However, it’s too small, and might just be enough to seatbelt a toddler, or a very small person (see that, politically correct). In fact, the rearmost seat individual width is 620 mm, the widest seat available. So, for people with a… ummm… huge… not that… Very visible (tried to be politically correct, but failed) posterior, seating at the rear is the best seat in the house.

Cheaper model Freed AC control above, expensive model Freed AC control below. No rear AC, period

For those who want to import this car, might just buy the 7 seater version as the car doesn’t feature rear air conditioning system.  At least with the 7 seater version, cool air can blow directly to the third row unblocked by the second row seat. Sure privacy window film can reduce the heat for the third row seaters, but oh my… Asians weather are precariously evil in the summer time.

Honda Freed tumble seat

The 3rd row seats tumbles sideways

Honda freed entry

A montage of Honda Freed powered sliding door and smart key entry

Interior wise, the Freed stands out on many levels. First, there’s the two tier dashboard. Different from Honda Civic’s multiplex dash, the one on Honda Freed feature smallish digital tachometer to display engine’s RPM. The stripe tachometer might need sometime to get used to but with a CVT, who needs to watch the tachometer at all? On the upside, the dashboard have an internal mileage calculator and outside temperature information. Then, there’s the fact that the dashboard has a huge flat area to store and display various things on it. It’s actually dangerous to put any hard objects, but Asians loves to put something on the dashboard. Plush dolls, religion related ornaments (big and small), miniature cars, Gundam figures, anime figures, etc. So Freed’s dashboard allows for those who wants to put something on a flat surface.

Honda Freed Dashboard

Unique two tier dashboard to store things

Honda Freed speedometer

Smallish tachometer but lots other useful stuff

I do want to criticize the air conditioning system on this car. It doesn’t have any rear vents to direct cool air to the back. It will be overwhelming to the guys sitting at the back on long hot summer trip. Especially on the 8 seater version where the cold air from the AC system is blocked by the 2nd row seat.

My take on this car

Personally, I like the car, but not so much. It starts at 1.6 Million Yen, 400 Thousand Yen short of entry level Honda StepWGN which features much more ample interior room. Sure the K20 on the StepWGN makes this car as a gas guzzler compared to the Freed (12.2 Km/Liter compared to 16.4 Km/Liter), but it’s much of a better choice as family hauler on long trips. I imagine that the Freed is intended for Keii car owners who wanted a second car for short family trips.

Honda StepWGN

Honda StepWGN, bigger, stronger, better… But more demanding

Here’s my short pros and cons about the car:

Pros:

  • Great CVT transmission. (For ASEAN market, the Freed will come with a conventional 5AT transmission… Which is still great considering the competitors only has 4AT)
  • Powerful engine for its size 118ps @ 1500cc.
  • Frugal fuel consumption at 16 Km/L.
  • Sliding doors.
  • Very modern styling.
  • Very nice dashboard.
  • Ample interior space.
  • Perfect for Asian generally small posture.

Cons:

  • No rear airconditioning.
  • Tall, technically unsafe to drive fast and furious… But who would anyway?
  • Will be expensive compared to its competitor (subject to change).
  • Low ground clearance for developing/emmerging countries road.
  • Not so perfect for “westernised” (in terms of size) Asians.

All in all, the Freed is a nice car from Honda. It’s compact, frugal and seats 7 to 8 people. For those who wanted to import this car, I personally recommend the G-Aero trim, the most expensive trim available. It lacks rear air conditioning system but the split captain seats will allow cool air from the front reach the back without problem.

The design of the car will not cater to the male “look at me I have manly image problem”. However, it strikes the right balance of cool and functional in my book. The curvy lines on the sides are very pronounced, while keeping a cute front end. Stay tune for an update once Honda unveils the annual Fact Book of its cars, especially for the Freed. Finally updated

Final Final update, Update 26th of May 2009, Whoops, Honda actually mildly refresh the Freed after just a couple of months. You guys can check out the entry here. It’s not much, hand rails and map lights as standards. Also the addition of sliding distance for the captain seat version… But still, it’s an improvement.

As of this writing there are no further interesting information about the car available on Honda Freed’s official website. You guys can check it our yourselves by clicking the links below. There are some more specific technical aspect you can find on Honda Freed Fact Book, but it’s in Japanese, and no online translation can display accurate translation about it.

Source:
Honda Japan official Freed website

Honda Japan Freed Manual book

Honda Japan Freed Fact book

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Comments (18)

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Fuel tank is under second row seat.

Well, I can’t approve nor disprove that. Usually Honda have a page on its website about every technical and design aspect of its car. However, they haven’t released one for the Freed as of yet. I have a plan to update the paper review once Honda released the technical fact book.

Hey, I’m an ABC and I would love this car to be brought up state. Much better looking IMHO than those Scions.

what a comfortable car, i want to have one,what about the price,,, how much is it? thank you.
ricky, padang, indonesia.

Halo Ricky,

The car’s price will be informed soon by Honda Indonesia. Personally I think the car will be priced starting from Rp. 200 Million upwards. So don’t expect the car price to be below that… Even though this car is on the same category with Avanza/Xenia, APV, Luxio and Grand Livina, expect the car’s interior, refinement, handling and everything in between will be higher than the competitors.

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I have a Honda Jass right now but i think my car to small for my Family, ( wife & 1 daugther ). & I like to traveling with my daughter staff. I just want to change my Jass with this freed car. can honda indonesia give a good quotation for a honda lover indonesia to change that honda to honda freed?

The Freed should be perfect for your needs Pak Julius. The Freed is designed for families in all of its stages, from the young to the established. Regarding the inquiries, there should be no special price quote for existing Honda owners. Because the car itself has been booked all over the dealers.

But rest assure, the Freed is the pinnacle for people movers. It might not fit 8-9 people + cargo, but it sure will drive you and your family with comfort and class.

I hear the freed price is 260 million rupiah. Hard to sell becos there is kijang at 240 million rupiah

Hi, thanks for the info. My family really like the Freed and would like to buy it next year. Will there be a change of price?

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I really think it all depends on the government policy regarding automotive tax and the cost of raw materials.

Recently launched in Thailand.

But here HONDA calls it MUV – Multi Utility
Vehicle. Built in Indochina – Honda Jazz platform.

1,5 V-TEC. Auto transmission and the rest.
Price: THB 900,000 – 1,000,0000 +

I wish they had the cool Sean Lennon Japanese TV ad here as well.

John Koistinen-Lindgren
Carsanook

Such a wonderful review. Thanks a lot. I wonder if you can advice me to choose among Freed (RS), Innova V AT, and Gran Livina 1.8 AT Ultimate.

Thank you for the compliment. Choosing between Freed, Innova and Grand Livina is really a matter of preference and typical everyday usage, there is no clear winner among them. Innova is perfect if you need to carry more than 4 person on board all the time, otherwise all those power would go to waste. The Freed is perfect for 2 with a driver/chauffeur, got good fuel economy too. The Grand Livina is perfect if you want to drive the car yourself, great handling dynamics and gob load of torque.

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